Curse

Siren · Oct 12, 2005, 06:00 AM // 06:00

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Originally Posted by Schorny

It stops warriors from doing much. It's like an elite version of empathy.

You don't use it primary for damage but for shutdown. You can stop the enemy spamming something with this.

Spamming anything, really. lol. Such a fabulous skill. =D

Man With No Name · Oct 12, 2005, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schorny
It stops warriors from doing much. It's like an elite version of empathy.

It is like Empathy.....a really poor elite version of it

Empathy - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks, that foe takes 10-26 damage.

10e / 2 / 10

Spiteful Spirit {Elite} - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks or uses a skill, Spiteful Spirit deals 5-29 shadow damage to that foe and all adjacent foes.

15e / 2 / 10

So for an elite you get AoE, slightly higher max damage and triggering on a skill -- I'd rather take Empathy

If I can get a kill with this on me and when my adrenaline is charged -- I will spike -- hitting you for up to 400dmg ( Eviscerate + Exe Strike + Penetrating + Deep Wound ) whilst you hit me for 60 :S

Empathy, Clumsiness, Ineptitude [Elite], Faintheartedness / Shadow of Fear, Enfeeble / Enf Blood, Soothing Images are the good anti-warrior skills IMO

Hit a Warrior with Clumsiness and Ineptitute whilst they're Frenzing and you'll do a nice 300 damage spike of armor ignoring damage and blind them

Schorny · Oct 12, 2005, 12:09 PM // 12:09

Put it on a pet in an IWAY team to have fun

Or before the last update: put it on a smiter.
Put it on a warrior constantly.

All this things work. Of course it is not that big damage, but it sums up or shuts down an enemy.

Of course you will spike through Spiteful Spirit, but will you charge adrenalin with it on?

It is a skill to counter all kinds of spamming. Nothing more, nothing less.

Man With No Name · Oct 12, 2005, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by Schorny

Of course you will spike through Spiteful Spirit, but will you charge adrenaline with it on?

Simply put with a competent Healing Monk behind me -- the majority of times I will carry on attacking through it -- you hit me for 29 -- I hit you for 6-28 ( ignoring critical hits )

A Protection Monk will simply convert / remove it

There's nothing to fear from this skill -- catching a Warrior mid-frenzy with Cluminess and Ineptitude have far greater consequences. And if people don't bunch up it's lost it's AoE effect.

Stayfrosty · Oct 12, 2005, 12:21 PM // 12:21

This skill owns IWAY so bad... just toss it on 2 or 3 of the warriors, 90% of them are to dumb to realize they are causing aoe dmg to their entire group

Epinephrine · Oct 12, 2005, 01:25 PM // 13:25

This skill is highly situational in its effectiveness, but has some degree of effectiveness in nearly any situation. At worst it is used as an empathy-type spell, at best it anihilates teams of frenzying warriors. Keep in mind that some skills are better in PvE than others, and this is a great PvE skill with big melee mobs, especially highly armoured ones.

badkarma · Oct 12, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

get a group of 4 monsters clustered together........ cast arcane echo (non elite) then spiteful then find out for yourself why it can be so deadly

koren · Oct 12, 2005, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Echo this skill on 2 aataxes in UW while a solo monk tanks.. they drop in 20 seconds max. Do it on the squids in UW and they drop before both spitefulls even recharge.

2_fingers · Oct 13, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Stayfrosty

This skill owns IWAY so bad... just toss it on 2 or 3 of the warriors, 90% of them are to dumb to realize they are causing aoe dmg to their entire group

yeah. Its a serious counter to iway under the assumption that u are balling up and the warriors go for another target. and the cd is so fast that u can easily get it cast on 4 warriors. I've seen warriors drop in matter of seconds lol.

Thanas · Oct 16, 2005, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Man With No Name

It is like Empathy.....a really poor elite version of it

Empathy - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks, that foe takes 10-26 damage.

10e / 2 / 10

Spiteful Spirit {Elite} - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks or uses a skill, Spiteful Spirit deals 5-29 shadow damage to that foe and all adjacent foes.

15e / 2 / 10

So for an elite you get AoE, slightly higher max damage and triggering on a skill -- I'd rather take Empathy

If I can get a kill with this on me and when my adrenaline is charged -- I will spike -- hitting you for up to 400dmg ( Eviscerate + Exe Strike + Penetrating + Deep Wound ) whilst you hit me for 60 :S

Empathy, Clumsiness, Ineptitude [Elite], Faintheartedness / Shadow of Fear, Enfeeble / Enf Blood, Soothing Images are the good anti-warrior skills IMO

Hit a Warrior with Clumsiness and Ineptitute whilst they're Frenzing and you'll do a nice 300 damage spike of armor ignoring damage and blind them

Max your curse and add awaken the blood and this skill is doing 42 damage to all nearby foes. Add echo and thats 84 damage. Just make sure to parasite after hex have fun. Most warriors are too dumb to notice they have this on them anyway. In all fairness I don't think you understand this elite at all. Empathy attaches itself to one target and only triggers when the target attacks. Spiteful works on spells and melee. The fact of the matter is you are are helping your group more by attacking enemy groups as a whole. If you attack one unit you must be able to do some pretty good spiking. Spiteful can hamper casters and melee warriors and do serious damage to groups.

Oryaka Drake · Oct 16, 2005, 07:18 PM // 19:18

If people are saying that this skill is anything like empathy... they are just sadly mistaken, because simply speaking it doesnt matter what you do.. as long as you use a skill you are hurting yourself and everyone around ya!

Kampfkeks · Oct 17, 2005, 09:54 AM // 09:54

This spell is a killer. Probably one of the most useful Eliteskills around. I'd even go as far as to say this one is clearly overpowered. Atleast with the lack of decent hex removal - this one gets quickly re-applied if it is removed at all. Whatever you do... you harm your team. Have it cast on one of those warriors and you tell them to either stand around, doing nothing or to harm their team. Cast it on the monks, put a coverup hex on it. Watch them kill their own team or stop healing. etc etc

/edit:
Besides, most Necros bring plenty ofwarrior hate. What about those 400 damage when you're under enfeeble? Sure thing your monk will remove weakness, hm? Well let him do so, guess where my second spiteful went. And what about that insidious Parasite? Hooweee, you heal me for each of your hits. Price of Failure? kekeke. Empathy ON TOP of it? *evil*.

Epinephrine · Oct 17, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

To be clear, when I said "At worst it is used as an empathy-type spell" I mean that in the worst situations it only harms one person, or results in suppressing that person's attacks/skills. Since its damage is controlled entirely by your opponent it IS like empathy - it does very little to a guy who simply removes it or has it removed.

At best it certainly is disastrous to the opponents; I was attacked by two warriors with this on one the other day, and the warriors both activate frenzy right as they got to me (well, one did, and the other took doubled damage from everything, so he had it runinng too), so the Frenzy activation and first two attacks all went off in the space of 1 second, dealing 3*74 damage to each of them. One realised the problem and tried to run away, but the other one was dumb and killed his buddy with another swing or two. It is a nasty spell vs bad players, and especially in the low-hex removal environament of TA and RA. It definitely deserves its status as an elite, and will likely be nerfed at some point, even though in the more balanced environament of tombs/GvG it's not nearly so powerful

Sean The Sniper · Oct 17, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

I agree Spiteful Spirit is an excellent anti-IWAY skill to spamm, they wont stand a chance

Knido · Oct 17, 2005, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Spiteful Spirit + Mark of Pain FTW

Blkout · Oct 18, 2005, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Knido

Spiteful Spirit + Mark of Pain FTW

I agree, and I use both as well, but in order to get the full effect of both skills together you really need to cast them on something that is going to take more than just a few hits to kill, like a boss. Anything other than that, and its somewhat wasted. Often I use one and then the other then it comes to regular mobs, just alternate since they both work pretty well in their own way.

Corwin · Oct 19, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man With No Name

It is like Empathy.....a really poor elite version of it

Empathy - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks, that foe takes 10-26 damage.

10e / 2 / 10

Spiteful Spirit {Elite} - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks or uses a skill, Spiteful Spirit deals 5-29 shadow damage to that foe and all adjacent foes.

15e / 2 / 10

So for an elite you get AoE, slightly higher max damage and triggering on a skill -- I'd rather take Empathy

If I can get a kill with this on me and when my adrenaline is charged -- I will spike -- hitting you for up to 400dmg ( Eviscerate + Exe Strike + Penetrating + Deep Wound ) whilst you hit me for 60 :S

Empathy, Clumsiness, Ineptitude [Elite], Faintheartedness / Shadow of Fear, Enfeeble / Enf Blood, Soothing Images are the good anti-warrior skills IMO

Hit a Warrior with Clumsiness and Ineptitute whilst they're Frenzing and you'll do a nice 300 damage spike of armor ignoring damage and blind them

If you were trying to spike my Me/N through this, you're going to take 165damage, not 87 (which is 3 skills you list x 29 dmg from Spiteful), unless you have good hex removal. I'm going to put BOTH Empathy and Spiteful on you if you're swinging at me. If you're silly enough to be Frenzied while you're using those 3 skills on me, it goes up to 330 damage - and I've only used 2 skills.

For those interested, my math: Empathy at 14 Domination is 29 damage, plus Spiteful at 12 curses is 26 damage = 55 damage per attack x 3 attacks = 165 damage. Under Frenzy, that's doubled to 330.

Really, my point is that this isn't a TERRIBLE skill. There are probably better, but it's not bad.

Man With No Name · Oct 19, 2005, 02:24 AM // 02:24

Are you serious...we can theorise all day...

/sarcasm

Against my Ranger you wouldn't get either spell off and I'd hit you for 1000 damage

/end sarcasm

Clumsiness and Ineptitude are instant, armor ignoring spikes of damage, which make them hard to heal. When Frenzing, I fear that -- catches me completely off-guard. Hitting me for 300 instantly and before I can react will net you a kill -- hitting me for 30 with Spiteful once a second over 10 seconds won't -- I'll simply stop and ask for a convert.

I don't fear Empathy / Spiteful, with it's conditional damage and obvious warning. Where did you pull your 3 attacks and 165 from..?? I'll be stopping after I see the symbol pop up.

Corwin · Oct 19, 2005, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Man With No Name

Are you serious...we can theorise all day...

/sarcasm

Against my Ranger you wouldn't get either spell off and I'd hit you for 1000 damage

/end sarcasm

Clumsiness and Ineptitude are instant, armor ignoring spikes of damage, which make them hard to heal. When Frenzing, I fear that -- catches me completely off-guard. Hitting me for 300 instantly and before I can react will net you a kill -- hitting me for 30 with Spiteful once a second over 10 seconds won't -- I'll simply stop and ask for a convert.

I don't fear Empathy / Spiteful, with it's conditional damage and obvious warning. Where did you pull your 3 attacks and 165 from..?? I'll be stopping after I see the symbol pop up.

*chuckle*

I'm not arguing that Clumsiness + Ineptitude isn't a better combo against a warrior. All I was saying is that Spiteful isn't useless either.

It will also depend on where you're using it. Personally, I only like the skill for PvE or Random Arena, where the typical Warrior IS dumb enough to keep attacking through it and there isn't much hex removal going on.

So much hostility...

The funny thing (to me, anyway) is that I started to put a bunch of stuff in my original post about not playing in a vacuum, and hex removal pretty much screws the combo up. I opted not to, though, because I figured that was obvious. I suppose I should have put in, after all.

Renegade_Zero · Oct 19, 2005, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Ultimate IWAY counter. have a necro with this in a group with some trapping rangers, and whew it's over fast.